On 21 June 2024, Baku hosted the 5th meeting of the Russian-Azerbaijani Expert Council, which has existed for about three years. RIAC Programme Coordinator Milan Lazovich, a participant of the meeting, spoke about the importance of the Council and assessed Russian-Azerbaijani relations in an interview for ‘Moscow-Baku’.
Milan Lazovich, how effective the format of the Russian-Azerbaijani Expert Council is today. Especially against the background of such challenges as the global conflict between Russia and the West, as well as complex processes in the South Caucasus region?
The format of the Russian-Azerbaijani Expert Council is successful and timely. It allows direct contacts between experts from the two countries, analyses the situation in relations, assesses the role of bilateral cooperation in terms of regional as well as global processes, and develops a response to common challenges. And since the meetings are held twice a year, there is an opportunity for regular reconciliation of hours and exchange of views on topical issues.
Analyses of the situation, analytical conclusions based on the results of discussions between Russian and Azerbaijani experts are brought to the top leadership of both countries. The meeting held in Baku was attended by representatives of the presidential administrations of the two countries.
Transparent, constructive, mutually beneficial relations between Russia and Azerbaijan are very important today. In particular, in the transport and logistics sphere. This is the international transport and logistics corridor ‘North-South’, in which Azerbaijan’s role is extremely significant due to its geographical location.
Our co-operation with Baku is also of serious importance for the regional agenda in the South Caucasus, for the establishment of lasting peace in the region, for post-conflict development between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Our relations are developing, developing successfully. And this is important for both Moscow and Baku.
Russia today pursues a policy of rapprochement with the countries of the global South, similarly Azerbaijan. To what extent are we really following a parallel path? And what does it have to do with?
Azerbaijan in its foreign policy pays special attention to relations with the parties of the global South and decolonisation issues. And here the policy of Russia and Azerbaijan and our positions coincide. Russia has also recently been actively seeking to develop relations with the countries of the global South. After the collapse of the USSR in the 1990s, relations with many of these countries, for example, African countries, were undeservedly neglected. But now we see the opposite processes: Russia is returning to Africa and has actively started to develop relations with other states of the global South. Africa is perhaps the most striking example of Russia’s intensified co-operation. And we see the same tendencies in Azerbaijan. That is, in general, our political positions coincide in many respects, and this is only to the benefit of our relations.
What is the reason for this? Apparently, farsightedness, a clear understanding of the trends of the time, a common vision of what the future should be like, what the international architecture should be like, an understanding of the need to develop a multipolar world and the independence and sovereignty of states.
This is also related to the destructive role of Western states. In relation to Azerbaijan, France can be particularly singled out, which is trying to put pressure on the South Caucasus region and pursue a policy in the region that is far from peace-oriented. The influence of Western, extra-regional players in the region is unacceptable for both Russia and Azerbaijan. The destructive role of the West and its individual states in different regions of the world also draws attention in this regard. In Africa, where France was an active coloniser.
Based on the last meeting of the Russian-Azerbaijani Expert Council in Baku, what priority areas of cooperation between Russia and Azerbaijan can you name? What do both countries and, accordingly, experts focus on?
Undoubtedly, this is a question of security and post-conflict development of the South Caucasus region. Countering the destructive influence of extra-regional actors. This is economic and transport and logistics co-operation. Let us again recall the North-South ITC. The meeting also focused on the importance of developing co-operation between the Caspian Five.
In addition, in the context of Western sanctions against Russia, the issue of dedollarisation, the complete transition to settlements in national currencies, is important for Moscow. Russia and Azerbaijan are negotiating on this issue. It is also important for Russia to make the Russian payment system work on the territory of Azerbaijan, which both sides are also engaged in and there are already positive results.
Strong relations between Russia and Azerbaijan are also a factor of stability in the South Caucasus. The Republic of Azerbaijan is one of Russia’s key allies in the region, friendly states. I would also remind you that Russia itself is partly a Caucasian power. I think that the interaction of players who truly understand the realities ‘on the ground’ and the prospects for further co-operation will benefit all participants in the region.
In terms of rapprochement between Russia, Azerbaijan and the countries of the global South, such international platforms as BRICS, which is currently chaired by Russia, the SCO, the EAEU – as a structure through the prism of which the Greater Eurasian Partnership process can be implemented. As Vladimir Putin recently stated at a meeting with the leadership of the Russian Foreign Ministry, it is necessary to build a new architecture of Eurasian security. How interesting is Azerbaijan’s potential participation in these structures for Russia?
I believe that potential participation in these structures would be useful for both Russia and Azerbaijan. And in general for the process of development of a multipolar world.
Regarding the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, there is interest on both the Russian and Azerbaijani sides. In particular, the parties are interested in developing cooperation in the Russia-Azerbaijan-Central Asia triangle, which was also discussed at this meeting of the Russian-Azerbaijani Expert Council. Azerbaijan has long had the status of a dialogue partner in the SCO. The next step is to become an observer. Perhaps, we will soon witness movement on this issue.
As for the EAEU, we can talk about a certain interest of Azerbaijan in the sense that geographically the Republic of Azerbaijan is located at the crossroads of transport routes between the EAEU member countries. And Azerbaijan’s integration would be favourable to both it and the member countries. However, it is worth recalling that the authorities of the Republic of Azerbaijan have also stated that at this stage they do not seek membership in the organisation. Although the head of state Ilham Aliyev took part in the EAEU summit in Moscow in May 2023, Azerbaijan offers the countries of the economic union to take advantage of its transport and logistics capabilities. The negotiation process on this subject is underway. This is Baku’s sovereign choice.
About BRICS – if Azerbaijan sees prospects in this organisation, it meets the trends of the time.
What can you say about Armenia’s current policy? On the one hand, there is a readiness for peace with Azerbaijan (and there are certain steps in this direction). On the other hand, as the Russian Foreign Ministry regularly notes, the West seeks to push Armenia and Russia together, and Yerevan is getting closer and closer to countries unfriendly to Russia.
In this regard, I can only say that Russia is interested in lasting peace, stability and unblocking transport and logistics arteries in the South Caucasus. And in this regard, the positions of Russia and Azerbaijan also coincide. Armenia has also declared its interest in unblocking communications. But at this stage the process is frozen.
And what is also important is that regular attempts to exert Western pressure on the South Caucasus do not suit either Russia, Azerbaijan or the majority of countries in the region.
